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Mecklenburg
I would like to claim the area of Mecklenburg, I have the support of many people. I will take Mecklenburg and give away the Nation of Malta. If this claim is not recongized or is ignored Malta will stay as my empire.

King   Faye IV    of Malta   00:43, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

I support this proposition as Mecklenburg is more important than Malta and is in need of a ruler

 Robert  Mc  Roberts For Crown and County!  00:48, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

I support this because I think BK would make a somewhat good ruler. Lol.



I support, BK would be good, also countries need leaders.


 * 01:00, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:00, June 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I BK for this, I belive he is a good leader.

A map for Roleplay
Since there has been much discussion about what land what countries claims and what they own which is in all and all effected by Historical accounts and Roleplay events in Game or on Wiki. So due to that I would like to make a Roleplay Map of the World and Europe with the assistance of all Roleplay Nations and Robert Mc Roberts. I would like your approval to start such matters and your help to End the Dispute on who owns what land or what what. If a country can show such cause in Game to change the True Historical View on Nations then we can accept that in our World Map. This project may take a week or 2 to fully complete. So I would like your Approval to work on such ASAP. These Map(s) would be a World Map for a Overall General View and then a European/ Northern African Map for a closer and clearer view since almost all the countires claimed are in Europe......... The 2 maps being used which I would like the Council's Approval.





Prime Minister Old man guy,

18:19, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Colonization in the Pacific
 ''I would like to ask the Role-Playing council if it is okay to colonize some islands in the Pacific Ocean. I want to expand the Hawaiian Kingdom and I would like to ask some other nations to join me on this colonization. I have asked two nations if they would like to join me and I am still waiting for there answer.''

I want to ask the council on how do we colonize land in Role-Playing form?



Although I am not an official member of the Roleplay Council (yet, I think xD), I think this would be perfectly fine so long as you do not get too crazy with the claiming, but I know you won't. There are an abundance of Pacific Islands that are much too small for others to claim as independent nations, and there is no use in letting them go to waste. Remember to keep your limits, only claim islands within a realistic distance of Hawai'i, and be sure you don't claim islands that are already claimed by other nations (there shouldn't be too many...). As long as you do that, I approve ^_^ !

--  Jeremiah Garland

Oh, and just curious, what are the other two nations you've asked to join you?

--  Jeremiah Garland

The Nations that I have talked to are sort of private Jeremiah sorry :/ but if your interested on joining this colonization you are free to welcome and join in :D

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<p style="text-align:left;">No thanks :P. The only reason I ask is to make sure it is a nation that could realisticly colinzation the Pacific Islands, i.e. not a country like Romania, or Kalmar Union, or Prussia, etc.

<p style="text-align:left;">--  Jeremiah Garland

Sardinia
Hello all,

This is not so much a request, but rather an informative message to all roleplayers interested. If you are (or want to be) a roleplayer, and are in need of a nation to call your kingdom, I have just discovered an overlooked European nation that is up for grabs: Sardinia. The Kingdom of Sardinia, lasting officially from 1720 to 1861, fits in with our timelime (1745) and is ergo qualified to have a king. Although Sardinia as we know it today is a large Mediterranean island belonging to Italy, during this time period the Sardinian kingdom comprised more than that; in addition to the island, the kingdom also included parts of modern-day southeastern France, Monaco, and northwestern Italy (refer to map). In 1745, the kingdom was very much independent, and would stay that way until being conquered by Napoleon in 1796 (and then ceding to Italy in 1861). Though this is not a massive country, it is still very valuable, and if there any roleplayers who wish to own a country, this is your chance. Just leave a resume below that includes why you think you should own this country, and the other members of the council as well as myself will decide who the victor is.

Some additional info about the Kingdom of Sardinia:
 * Capital: Turin (in northern Italy)
 * Languages: French, Italian, Spanish, Sardinian, Catalan, several others
 * Currency: Lira; ₤ (not to be confused with the British Pound, £)
 * Government: Absolute Monarchy (with prime minister and parliament)
 * Trade: Mercantilism
 * Population (1745 estimate): ~4,200,000
 * King in 1745 (for optional roleplay name): King Charles Emmanuel III

Jeremiah Garland  21:48, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Its claimed, this is what we gave shadow sail, since this was the nation that would later unite Italy.

<font face=Mongolian Baiti size=4px color=#000080> Robert <font face=Mongolian Baiti size=4px color=#000080> Mc <font face=Mongolian Baitit size=4px color=#000080> Roberts <font face=Mongolian Baiti size=1px color=#00FFFF>For Crown and County! 21:52, July 12, 2012 (UTC) Ill take it in th ename of Romania it would be highly appreciated! Regards, 21:56, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

@Robert: Shadow-Sail is inactive, as is his heir, Kortez (Sharpe). But that is beside the point. Italy does not obtain Sardinia until 1862, as I said. It is independent right now.

@Albert: Eh... The whole point of this was to have some new roleplayers who want a country to claim it, and not somebody who already has a country :P

--  Jeremiah Garland   22:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC) But isnt another point is to give smaller countries a chance to expand? Just wondering there is truth in what you say. I also would like to request a different land and cancel out my request for Sardinia

Being Realistic.
Now this is not something to be taken too seriously nor too lightly.

GIVE ALL LANDS TO BRITIAN, THE OTTOMANS, AND RUSSIA. PROBLEM SOLVED

All the developing/sucky countries shall be invaded, destroyed, and the land distrubuted to the 3 higher powers.

We all convert to one religion, the belief of Jeremh, that all beings are created equal.

All sujbects pledge allegieance to Breasly, Parax, and Garland. Boom, all useless countries gone.

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The Truth About Roleplay
Hello all,

I feel obliged to write this, not to any roleplayer individually, but to several; to the entire community. I am not angry, this is not a rant essay, this is simply me stating what I believe to be the truth about roleplay nations as we know them. Many of you may be disappointed by my views, but do remember: these are my views, and not to be taken in an official manner (though I strongly think they should). I am not trying to be bias or favour anybody in what I am about to say, even if it may appear so.

Many of you may be familiar with the philosophy known as Darwinism, which centers around the simple scientific law of natural selection. According to this theory, better known as "survival of the fittest", more well adapted species tend to survive (and thrive) over their counterparts; in other words, there will always be a higher power and equality is null. Well, I feel the same idea applies to our roleplay nations.

This wiki's roleplay is centered around history, though there may be the occasional exception (e.g., Denmark belonging to England). As roleplayers, we strive to exercise correct history as much as possible, which is why I propose this truth to be made official. To remain historically accurate, we need to first recognise the world powers of 1745. What is a world power? A world power is any country who is advanced in many others politically, economically, and socially. For a quick example, two notable world powers of today might be the United States and China. In 1745, however, there were only four major world powers: those being England, France, Spain, and Russia. Sadly, France has little representation on the wiki. As for Spain, we have many issues to work out and decide with them. Other nations, such as Ottoman Empire, Netherlands, Austria-Hungary, Portugal, and Prussia, are secondary world powers, and just miss the cut (though they are all still very powerful). All other nations in 1745 are simply buffer nations, and hold lesser power than the others. Unfortunately, this is the sad truth. As in natural selection and Darwinism, there are certain nations that are superior to others, and obviously, there still are today.

Now let's take a step back, and look at this from a non-historical point of view. On the wiki, political, social, and economical superiority are impossible to measure, as they do not exist. Ergo, what is the main factor to decide a nation's power? Population and representation on the wiki. England, obviously, has the most, with Breasly, Mallace, Goldtimbers, Blastshot, Brawlmartin, Cannonshot, and many other users representing England on the wiki. Russia checks in at second place, with myself (Garland), Mikhail, Goldwrecker, Macmorgan, Goldshot, and partially Mallace (when he's not being a Jewish naked mouse). What am I getting at here? Simple. I've noticed a lot of... lesser nations recently show some strong aggression in the roleplay world, when historically, this just can't be right. Also, many of these same nations are also very densely populated, and lack the manpower to realistically do this.

--  Jeremiah Garland   03:33, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

No lazy version? xD, That's fine, I read it all. I agree that power should remain realistic, the more influence on the wiki, the more power.
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 * 00:22, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Roleplay Council Acceptance Request
Dear Roleplay Council, boys, girls, gentlmen, lentlemen, ladies, and other living creatures.

I, Jack Goldwrecker, am reqursting an admittance into the Roleplay Council. The following are reasons I believe I would qualify for this position. Thank you for reading. I know that some people on this council, and this wiki, would decline this due to my history of immature actions and events, but I believe I have made a huge dramatic change from when I joined this wiki, and I think some would agree with me. I would like a chance to show you that I can, in face, take this position very responsibly. As for my traits that I think would be beneficial here: I am very outspoken, serious, proud, and exetrmeley determined person. However, I can be stubborn and rude at times, but I try to keep that at bay. Also, I am very slow to anger. I have roleplayed for numerous countries (England, Spain, Prussia, Russia), and know numerous history on European countries. I also am a very passionate "politician," and I think many people would agree with me when I say I'm a very skilled and serious debater. I would appreciate it if you considered this seriously.
 * Roleplay Title/Titles: Tsarevich of Russia, Commander-In-Chief of Russia's Military, former Prime Minister of Prussia under Lord Matthew Blastshot, member of the League of Independent Nations, numerous positions in the British Empire (minor).
 * I have been on the wikia since early 2011, and have been roleplaying since the same date.
 * I feel that my acceptance would be beneficial to this council because: being able to acknowledge both sides and giving an unbiased decision; help roleplay with my ideas; strongly enforce the rules made by the Council, and commit to follow them; use my knowledge of European and American history to keep roleplay as accurate as possible.

Jack Goldwrecker.

And forgive any spelling and grammar mistakes, I didn't have time to look this over.

I have no problem with this; you'd be a great addition to the council. The only thing I'm concerned with is I'm not sure how many people Matthew and Parax want to actually join the council... Nonetheless, I and shall wait for the other members to put their say in.

--  Jeremiah Garland   20:29, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

I AM PARAX, AND I APPROVE THIS USER!-- 20:32, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

I spoke it over with Parax and Jim, and we agreed that having a fifth member in the council will be beneficial to balance out the odds. So looks like you're in, Jack! Except we need to wait for Blastshot and Pistol to cast their votes...

--  Jeremiah Garland   20:43, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that you would make a good addition, and what Garland said about a fifth member is a good idea. I am not going to officially agree, as I want to see Blastshot's vote, but so far I am leaning towards support. I think this should be enough for a while though, we don't want to overcrowd because then when it comes to voting/dicussions there are going to be too many people involved and things may become chaotic.



Terribly sorry, it seems our fifth member is Breasly ( thank you Matthew for forgetting to inform us ). However, although I think 5 is more than enough for now, we will keep both you and Marc in mind. Sorry about the confusion.



Fictious Countries
Hello,

Please do note that this message is not directed at any one user in particular, but rather, at a handful. This is simply a reminder of one of the rules of roleplay. Rule #6, as approved on the official Roleplay Rules page, is as follows: "We stick to how the world was in 1745. That means nations are restricted to the land they had back then". That being said, we ask that you please refrain from "inventing" countries, and claiming to rule them. If it is not located on the map, or it is a country that never existed, you may not roleplay as its leader. The reason for this being is because, simply, if we allow one to rule a country that isn't / wasn't real, there would be no limitations. By creating your own country, that means, with it, you would create your own military, etc, which tends to be overpowered and create an unfair advantage for other roleplaying nations. There are still some real nations available; just speak with me or another member of the Roleplay Council and we might help you find a country to apply for. If none of the available countries appease to you, you can always join another roleplaying country, and ask the leader if you can help rule it. But once again, I ask that you not create countries. We like to keep this wiki as realistic as possible, and creating countries is breaking the boundary. Some examples of "fake" or non-historical countries that are not recognised by the Roleplay Council (or the LIN) include: Scarletmerica, Nexia, Lone Islands, Shipratian Confederation, Confederate States of South America, United Union, and any "Pirate Republic". This list incomplete, as there are others out there.

Also, another reminder: recently and in the past, there have been people who claim titles which, although are real countries, are historically incorrect. For example, there have been many who claim to be "King/Queen/Prince/Princess of Ireland", as well as leaders of Germany. Although countries today, these lands in the year 1745 were under different domains, and therefore did not have leaders. As I said above, we try to keep things here as realistic as possible, and we ask that you respect this and uphold this policy. If you are unsure whether a place at this time is under the command of another roleplaying country, my answer for you is simple: you're on a computer. Do some research. In special cases where, historically a certain place was not under the command of a country but roleplaying on the wiki it is (e.g. Denmark being ruled by England), this is a different scenario and completely understandable. We know you are anxious to roleplay, but all we ask is for you to help keep this realistic and appropriate for the year 1745. In doing so, we are making the roleplay experience better for everybody. Thank you.

--  Jeremiah Garland   02:09, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but look at my reply to the above request. I mentioned something about a grey area that needs considering. Perhaps when you and Matthew are both back?



Request for Italy
I, Davy Gunfish, request that Italy, formerly ruled by Captain Shadow Sail, be put under my control. Italy was ruled by Shadow Sail, then given to his heir, Cortez, who has also left, leaving nobody to rule it, so I wish to be that one.
 * 22:50, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Going to do some research first before casting a vote.-- 23:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Going to do some research first before casting a vote.-- 23:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure on this one. Shadow is active on the game, but not so on the wiki and in roleplay. I think that he should be asked first, perhaps? I know that Cortez, followed by John is next in line for throne as well.


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Application for the Roleplay Council
Dear Roleplay Council

I, Marc Cannonshot request that I join the Roleplay Council of Pirates Online Players wiki. I have been doing Role-Playing when I first came to this wiki as Governor of the British Thirteen Colonies of America and then became part of the British Parliament as Marcus Cannonshot Burgess (Marc Cannonshot) - Leader of the House of Commons.

I have served in four wars that Britain went into and those wars were Paradoxian War, Deltan War, Second Deltan War, and the war of Casa Di Royale. I have been loyal to Britain and I serve for my fellow Role-Players and for King and country. I ask the Roleplay council to accept so I may serve along with my fellow Role-Players.

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The French Question
Hello all,

Through all the moving and chaos, I have been checking up on the wiki within the past hour (it's about 6 o'clock in the morning here and I have major jet lag...), and have indeed noticed the rising issue about the fate of France. Rather than continue to debate about this meaninglessly on blogs, I thought it would be a good idea to bring the discussion here, to the Roleplay Council.

''On a personal note, I cannot stay for long right now. I will, however, be checking in later to see how this is going. There has been less trouble with the move as thought, and I feel I may not be inactive for as long as expected. Cyprus is... odd. It's rained nonstop for the past three days I've been here. Oh yeah, back to talking about France.''

Anyhoo, I have noticed that the only two candidates that have been put forth for the French crown are Goldtimbers and Al. I have no clue what is going on with Duchess, but it is clear a new monarch must come forward. John suggested Stardust, which generally, I have no issue with. I do, however, think it would be best if we select somebody who is active on the wiki, as a monarch not on the wiki not only causes a lack of communication with their respective nation, but a lack of interaction with wiki-exclusive roleplay events, and almost seems like the nation is "wasted" (witness Duchess, who was inactive on the wiki and thus plummeted France into its current state of disruption).

Now, I have no problem with Al. He ruled Romania very well. But, (and this is just my opinion, not any sort of declaration) I honestly ''do not think he is qualified. ''He is relatively new to the wiki, and I feel the king of a nation of such prestige as France not only needs much experience on the wiki, but much experience in roleplay as well, something Al is short on. Don't get me wrong; Al is a great friend, but I feel Romania is a good fit for him. As for Goldtimbers, I honestly don't think he is fit to rule France as well. Although he is very close to the previous monarch, his high standings in the British government will cause... issues. He cannot possibly be prime minister of England, the most powerful nation on Earth, and also King of France, the second or third most powerful nation on Earth. There has to be some limitations, and he cannot choose both. It is no secret that I hold a mild dislike for Goldtimbers, but putting that aside, I also do not think he should rule France because he lacks certain characteristics needed. Yes, he is a "funny old man" and is always good for laugh, and he may be an outstanding figure in-game, but he's seldom on the wiki, and I feel if he becomes King of France, there will be too much British influence in his decision making; something we cannot have. Again, these are just my opinions.

If you were on chat twenty minutes ago, I managed to drop in on chat for a few minutes to say hello (the internet here is weird, and I may not be able to get on chat that much until the issue is resolved). While there, you may have heard me say my opinion for the King of France. A third party candidate: Benjamin Macmorgan. Now, I am not sure if Benjamin is still into all that, but I believe he is the perfect man for the job. First of all, he was King of France before (after giving the Russian crown to Mallace), and did an excellent job in that position. He put France into the light of roleplay, brought it to new heights, and ruled it in what I believe it to be its golden age, before handing it over to Duchess. Furthermore, he is a founder of roleplay, being one of the oldest and most influential roleplayers in the game: an essential for any king of a roleplay nation such as France. It is also worth mentioning his time and experience on the wiki. Although he has been inactive for some periods of time, he has been here for more than a year and was even recently honoured for his dedication by being promoted to chat moderator. Given Benjamin's approval, I officially nominate him for the position of King of France. In my eyes, he will be a definitive and outstanding leader in a position he previously (and successfully) held, and will take the job with much seriousness.

Thank you for taking this time to read. The Roleplay Council will meet and make a decision on this matter sometime in the future. On an unrelated note, I'd also like to officially recognise and inaugurate Jack Goldwrecker into the Roleplay Council, whose application was accepted by a majority amount of Roleplay Council members. Welcome to the Roleplay Council, Jack.

--  Jeremiah Garland   04:00, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Jeremiah, I appreciate it. I would also like to say that I do agree with you on your opinion; Benjamin should rule France. Johnny Goldtimbers I think would be, actually, the worst man for the job cosindering he's the Prime Minister of Britain.

<font face="Lucida Blackletter">Jack Goldwrecker I am glad you put it this way Jeremiah. I se ewhere youre coming from and I understand. I respect your opinion. If neither of us become King of France, then I must say I hope Benjy does. I have to agree with alot of what you said there and you know makes me feel maybe I should follow it. I can not think of anything else to say and would rather ad dit later than sounding like a big fat idiot. 04:17, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as France DOES have a line of succession, it's not up to us. The first candidate would be Cadet, but he's gone. It comes down to a competition between Bluehawk and Stardust. Bluehawk, while a good leader, is inactive often, and in the past few days, has attempted to give France to not only Albert Spark, but to Switzerland as well. Stardust is not very active, but she's the only other choice. I have known Stardust since my... well, my second day of roleplay, actually. She is perfect for the job, and she was well-connected with Duchess. Being on the wiki or not does not influence the fact that a country either fails, or it doesn't. Pearson believes he has a claim to the throne, as he and Duchess were never officially divorced, but that's not how a monarchy works. A king's power will pass to his wife upon death, but not vice versa. The firstborn son would inherit the crown, and if he were dead (such as Cadet is) it would be passed through sons, and then daughters. The husband would be treated as a noble, but nothing more. A king in Spain once tried this with Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary) I believe.

In any case, the only people with claim to the throne are the children of Duchess, UNLESS she named an heir. And yes, she named Goldtimbers, who agreed to take it out of pity. But Goldtimbers has no intentions of keeping it, and we were discussing this in a Skype call today. The fact is, it comes down to one of the two children. Whichever one gains more support, I suppose. All other claims, such as Albert's, O'malley's, and Darkvane's, will only ever be approved if they battle long and hard for it.

Referring to making Benjamin "king".... he was never officially recognized by any leading nations as a king, nor by any French royalty. It was only his small throng of friends which supported him. Benjamin is inactive on the game, and honestly has no claim to the throne, as he's disliked by most of France and Spain. And I've been cautious of him after he attempted to overthrow me.

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I am back, and have read everythign above and as I have said before, I prefer not to put too mcuh of my interest into France and Spain. Why? Spain's "leader" is stubburn and unstable and I prefer to isolate him from my life as much as possible, and France has been under scrutiny for a while now. I think I would like to see some more opinions and perhaps do more debating before I come to my personal decision, and hopefully help France make their own. The reason I say "France make their own" is because John is quite right about it not really being up to us. We can manage roleplay on the wiki and try to do so on the game as well, but we can only manage it up to a point.

I personally do not feel that Albert is ready or capable for such a position. He is still fairly new and unknown in-game, which would put his rule under fire constantly. Goldtimbers would be great but as Guv mentioned he is the British Prime Minister, which would create a lot of conflict. If he were to retire from his role as the PM I am sure that it would be a major blow to the Empire, despite what many of you might say.

I quite like the idea of Benjamin, but the first thing I though of was that he often goes inactive for fairly lengthy periods of time and if that were to happen again it would cause major trouble, and possibly bring us back to square one. Also, as John mentioned, Ben is inactive on game and was never officially the king of France ( which I do not blame him for because of France's unique situation ).

I wouldn't say I know Stardust and Bluehawk well, but I definitely do and when I was last in contact with them they seemed like great people to me. I am not sure of their leadership capablities, but I would support them if they could not only "officially" take hold of the title, but also keep a tight rein on it and make it known that they are the ruler and not going to have their rule questioned, as I think that is the major issue with France.

Anyway, I am really not leaning towards any side at this moment, but I would prefer what is best for France, not only in terms of good leadership but also in sustainablity and stability.



Thank you for considering me, but I'm not active on the game ( I've cancelled my subscription ). And I'd rather not get involved too much in RP. Plus, there are lots of better choices then me, and I don't see myself doing much for it on the wiki since I'd kind of rather distance myself from it and focus on my duties as a chat mod and rollback, I don't want to neglect that.

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Hello... Again.
Its been more the 2 weeks since I requested ownership of Wurttemburg. And I was wondering if the "issue" has been resolved?

JosephCoalSmythe (talk)


 * According to the history, Grunt56 was the one to request this land, not you.-- 22:11, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, This is Grunt56. Joseph Coalsymthe is my cousins account and he is staying at my house for the summer.
 * o_O Log on Grunt56.-- 22:14, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:4px ridge green; background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(darkgreen), to(black)); ;background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(left, green, black); -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:black"> William   (Grunt)   Daggersteel 


 * Account verified. Currently, Wurttenburg is under dispute.-- 22:24, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey its me, Grunt56. I would like to know what you mean by "under dispute"
 * Means it is still being discussed. Try bringing up the section in case people forgot.-- 04:49, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Croatia is owned by Austria, nobody can ‘claim‘ it. That's like if I were to claim Egypt, even though the Ottomans own it.



Nonexistent Nations/Available Nations
Hello. I'm writing this due to several inaccuracies with role-playing countries. They do not historically fit in with our timeline (which has been established as 1745) and thus the role-players of which must either request a different country (and yes, there are quite a few minor ones as well as several major ones) or join an already-existing nation. Okay, where to begin. ..


 * 1) Kalmar Union—This is the most significant out of the ones I will be listing. Although the Kalmar Union was major (consisting of Denmark, the Faroe and Shetland Islands, Finland, Sweden, and Norway, all of Scandinavia), it was indeed dissolved in 1523. And as much as it troubles me to propose this, Cad has been inactive for months now. The Kalmar Union should be taken off the RP Nations page, as it doesn't even exist. This means, ultimately, that Sweden is unclaimed.
 * 2) Switzerland—This has gotten to be a decent nation altogether so I do not want to see it completely fall away. I hope you do realise, though, that Switzerland did not exist yet. I think it would be best for you to find a new nation. Sweden is open, as an example, and it has more land.
 * 3) Italy—This is another major one. I don't know if Shadow realises or not that Italy was not one nation, but rather divided amongst many nations (until 1860). Naples & Sicily belonged to Spain (another thing I'm going to address), Sardinia was owned by Spain, Genoa was an independent state (and also owned Corsica), Central Italy (where Rome is) was independent and is where the Papal States were if I'm correct, Venice and the surrounding area was independent (and also owned Morea, west of Greece), Lombardy was owned by Spain, and Savoy (what has been established he rules in the past before he said he owned more land) was independent. It really shouldn't be on the RP Nations page as just ‘Italy‘ but rather as many different states (I.E. Savoy being shown as ruled by Shadow, Genoa by someone else, Venice by someone else, et cetera).
 * 4) Kingdom of Two Sicilies—This is relating to the Italy thing. It didn't exist until 1816, 71 years after the current role-play date. It really shouldn't exist in role-play, and the ruler should rule one of Italian states that exists right now, like Genoa or Venice.

To conclude this post, I'll be listing some available nations as well as the theatre they're in, their capital, religion, government type, religion, and a brief description:

•Sweden (Scandinavia)—Sweden dominates the Baltic though is at risk of attacks by the Russians. Their capital is Stockholm, obviously in Sweden. Protestant Absolute Monarchy.

•Mughal Empire (India)—I'm very surprised nobody has claimed the Mughal Empire yet. It dominated India during this time period, though were plagued by the growing Maratha Confederacy trying to convert India from Islam to Hinduism. They were hostile towards most Europeans although they did trade with them and ally with the French at certain times. Their navy is about equal to that of the Marathas. Their capital is Akbarabad, in Hindustan. Islamic Absolute Monarchy.

•Maratha Confederacy (India)—As stated above, they are growing in both size and power during this time period, and have better firearms than their Mughal rivals. They are mainly supported by the Europeans in the theatre. Their capital is Satara, in Bijapur. Hindu Absolute Monarchy.

•Mysore (India)—They weren't very large, but they did have a capable army under their command. They were closely allied with the Mughal Empire and I believe later their protectorate. Their capital is Mysore, in Mysore. Islamic Absolute Monarchy.

•Dagestan (Eastern Europe/Northwest India)—Dagestan neighboured Georgia to the North, the Persians to the South, and the Ottomans in Egypt to the East. It bordered the Caspian Sea so it was able to develop a decent navy as well as a capable army to repel possible invaders, although they were surrounded by only allies (Persia, Georgia, the Ottomans, and I believe Russia as well). Their capital is Tarki, in Chechenya-Dagestan. Islamic Absolute Monarchy.

•Persia (Eastern Europe/Northwest India)—Persia has been left alone for many years, giving it time to build up a powerful army and a strong navy. It controls Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Persia, Baluchistan, and the Khanate of Khiva (which it occupied) making it somewhat of an empire. I believe it was claimed before but the previous ruler is inactive. Several have requested Persia but I don't think anyone owns it yet. Their capital is Esfahan, obviously in Persia. Islamic Absolute Monarchy.

•Westphalia (Western Europe)—Though they own only Rhineland, their military is decent as it consists partially of Jaegers. They are near Hesse and don't have many allies, but do get a decent income due to trade. Their capital is Rhineland, obviously in Westphalia. Catholic Absolute Monarchy.

•Holy Roman Empire (Western Europe-Eastern Europe)—This is a big one as well. Although the Holy Roman Empire is beginning to decline at this time, it is still very powerful and controls a great deal of land. Nobody has requested this yet. Their capital is not specified, although it switched between Frankfurt and Regensburg. Catholic Absolute Monarchy.

•Genoa (Southwestern Europe)—Genoa has a capable military and two territories—Liguria and Corsica—as well as a decent navy. Their capital is obviously Genoa, in Liguria. Catholic Republic.

•Venice (Southeastern Europe)—Venice is one of the strongest Italian states, as they defeated the Ottoman Empire in the Morean War. They own two regions—Venetia and Morea—and their capital is obviously Venice, in Venetia. Catholic Republic.

18:52, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The "nonexistent" nations were created in RP and put on the wiki prior to the rule that had people stick to the timeline. Per the ex post facto rule, they're allowed to stay.-- 19:44, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is Persia available for grabs? I might be interested in owning something a bit more significant than Indonesia, and the warm Persian weather would do nicely for drying off my world dominant clones of Hermit I mean, err.. my coat and hat, :P GoldvaneSig.png 20:18, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I believe so, but if you're going to claim it could you make the page for it serious? There are others asking for it and they'll most likely choose you if you research Persia and take it seriously.



Yeah, I could take it seriously. I might have gone overboard with Indonesia. But, if others really want it, I don't want to be a party pooper and take it from them. Who else is trying to get it? 20:40, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, nobody, because apparently the person trying to get it just abandoned their request.



Mughal Empire
I was actually thinking of claiming the Mughal Empire, because we were literally dissecting it last week in AP World... However, I didn't know it was still up for grabs. So, make up your minds quickly, loves. I can has or not? :P

Cher Bear &#61;D (talk) 20:12, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm not part of the role-play council, so I don't really have authority to give it to you, but do some research on it and you'll most likely be accepted. You'll have to get a role-play name in Persian though :P



Sure, why not? not because she's my friend, but because she seems to have some good intentions and a reasonable amount of knowledge concerning it.-- 19:06, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm assuming this passed now, seeing there's no opposition and 1 support...-- 18:20, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Request: The Holy Roman Empire
I, Grunt56, would like to request ownership of the lands of the Holy Roman Empire. Even though this is a very influentual nation in this time period nobody has claimed it! Although it began to decline around 1400th century I believe in the current role-playing year it still holds land roughly the size of the France. Maybe smaller? I am not completely sure. I believe two major states within the Empire were Prussia (Not completely sure) and Austria, with various other smaller states. I have been on the wiki for about a year with really nothing to edit. I believe this would be a great change for me as it would get me more active on the wiki and on the game, Which will give me something to do in my spare time (Which I have alot of since I don't have any extracurricular activities for a couple months xD). Plus having to learn about the Holy Roman Empire will help me in history, since we are studying it right now. Well that is all I can really say for now, Goodbye.

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Also, I dont want people to think I'm a power hungry fool who is just requesting this because Jarod mentioned it. I have long known of its existence and contemplated requesting it before. But at the time it seemed to complicated as it is composed of independant states.

I know for a fact Austria and Prussia weren't part of it. I believe it owned various other German states, like Württemburg, Mecklenburg, Oldenburg, Hannover, and some others.

18:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC) Samuel Harrington is the ruler from what I last heard, though I could be wrong. Nonetheless, The Holy Roman Empire consists of countries that are taken by ppl leaving it at it being absolutely nothing. There are, however, many German Kingdoms, rather small, but Kingdoms nonetheless.

18:40, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I know for a fact Austria and Prussian were the leading nations in The Holy Roman Empire. It did consist of many smaller German nations as you said.

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 * Habsburg Monarchy (Basically Austria)
 * Kingdom of Prussia
 * Duchy of Wurttemburg
 * Duchy of Mecklenburg-Shwerin
 * Electorate of Brandenburg
 * Electorate of Bavaria
 * Electorate of Saxony
 * Electorate of Hanover
 * Bishopric of Münster
 * Many smaller states

WELL, where to begin. At this time 1739 - 1748 We are in the War of Austrian Succession which yes would be make the HRE spot open... funny how this month we got a new Holy Roman Emperor :P BUT Either way according to History.. the spouse of Maria Theresa AKA Hannah Bluefeather is the new Holy Roman Emperor. SO idk it is atm. Well funny thing is, Matthew Darkskull and Hannah got divorced last year and married Jason Foulvane so... Yeah. Most spouses of countries are not connected but the HRE is linked with whoever married Hannah. Not trying to burst your bubble but Maria is the supposed Consort of the HRE but in reality she made her husband Franny :P Co-Regent... because well a lot of people didn't like having a Holy Roman Empress ^_^



Well, From my point of view it looks like your saying the position is taken. So this was a waste of my time xD. We should really start to clearly address peoples positions.

Also I really need to change my signature. Can someone inform me on how to do this?

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@Grunt: Yes I know Prussia and Austria were part of it, but they were independent states and are already claimed. Saxony and Courland are protectorates of Poland-Lithuania, which is a protectorate of Russia in RP so unsure on that matter. . . Brandenburg belonged to Preußen (Prussia) when they merged to from Brandenburg-Prussia and later just Prussia. Bavaria was independent right now, because if I'm correct it was not part of it anymore (besides it is already ruled by Jack Pistol). Just a few corrections.

@ G Oldtimbers: I know the War of Austrian Succession was taking place at this time which would mean it's historically open. . . Though I guess it's taken? Idk.



Jarod, get on James Swordwrecker.

22:45, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I know Austria and Prussia are claimed but the thing about the Holy Roman Empire is that it is not a single state like most countries in this time. It is composed of various states with their own monarch. This is why it didn't have its own military and why the Emporer didn't have full power of his country. Just because Austria and Prussia are claimed does not mean the aren't apart of it, And Austria should actually be reffered as a Archduchy. And the current leader would be the Archduke/Archduchess.

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Here's the thing... The Holy Roman Empire, as every good school boy knows, was neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an "Empire". The HRE is not a country, but rather a large religious coalition, per se. Yes, The HRE did indeed include countries such as Prussia and Austria (as well as the mentioned Germanic kingdoms), but each of those countries had their own leader. The Holy Roman Emporer had absolutely little to no say in political matters when it came to these countries; he was simply a religious leader chosen by the Pope. So, I'd have no trouble with you being the Holy Roman Emperor, but do know that this is merely a title. You have very little say in anything that is secular, and are simply a religious leader. You'd own no land to call your own, and you'd have no army.

-- Jeremiah Garland

Well actually it did have somewhat of a Military, But it was dissolved even before the Empire itself was Dissovled. Know in German as Riechsarmee, Reichsheer or Riecharmatur. In English its basically called the Army of the Holy Roman Empire. It was created in 1422 during the Hussite Wars. It was composed of contributions of men by their various states. In 1661 the compisition of the army was finally determined. Containing 40,000 men, with 28,000 being infantry and 12,000 being cavalry that included 2,000 mounted Dragoons. In emergencies the total number of men could be increased.

I also heard something about the Emperors Imperial Army, Which participated in the 30 Years War instead of the Riechsarmee, But I couldn't find any information about it.

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I want Ponyland. Nao.
um plzz can i have ponyland im not a random ip im lord andrew palin.

ON a more serious note, I'd like to claim Ponyland. I am a sufficient roleplayer leader with more than enough experience. If accepted I will make the new national animal Elephants.

Please consider my application as it is dear to me and I will kill all those who oppose it means a lot :(

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I you are a great roleplayer with much experience, as you said. And I'd love to see a country such as Ponyland in such capable, calm hands. Just be sure you know a little bit about the background, customs, what clothes they don't wear, and how many times you should invade RichardGoldvane

-- Jeremiah Garland

Rule Adding Request: Formal Applications required for leadership.
Hello all-

I guess you could consider this not a formal? rule but more so guidelines to follow when applying for leadership of a country. To many times I find short applications such as "I ruled this place, i did ok, now i want this place." For one, that makes you seem a bit ignorant.. but back to the point. I feel short apps such as those don't give us the true feel of the person. And that is one of the points of this council, is it not? To select and assign historically accurate, fit, appropriate and successsful leaders to countries based on background checks and historical availability? I request that we create a formal template for an application that will go in-depth in reasoning and experience, and require the requesting "leader" to think a bit. Once-sentence long applications don't necessarily give us what we want- to truly know the person and how fit he/she is. An Example Application (This is not nearly official, just to give councilmembers an idea of what I am proposing.)

What former experience of roleplay do you hve?

Why is your selected country signifigant to you?

Have you ever held any royal titles in any other countries?

What would be the first act you would do as leader?

''How do you believe you can make your nation successful? Do you have a plan, or things you want to change/keep the same?''

And Finally...

What is your stance on Spain (We all know we have to ask. It'll come up eventually, and we don't want trouble.)

Thanks for taking the time to read this, it is much appreciated. I would love other councilmen and public opinion and/or approval. --Councilman Mallace

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While I await the final draft, I...

Much needed. Helps us better understand people and know if they'll either be good leaders or if they'll be horrible/crazy like a few other people in roleplay.-- 20:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea... I really do. Now if you excuse me, I might add it to my application for a country :P  21:42, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I believe this IS needed. There are alot of role-players that come here and just want to claim a country for the hell of it.

21:52, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... SEEMS LEGIT.

On a serial note, I do believe this would help the organisation of things around here, and weed out the true roleplayers from the title-grabbers. Expertly said, Mallace, I

-- Jeremiah Garland 05:16, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

RP Request: The Order of Chaos
I wish to start an order similiar to Bill and Bobbys Societys called the Order of Chaos, dedicated to taking over the worlds through slavery and black magic, along with advanced technology! it will be based on an anknown isle in the North sea called Cadia Del Evil, thank you,

~Lord Kreonen of Chaos~

You can by all means form a group however you cannot create a country. As for the topics of slavery and advanced technology tread carefully. Slavery can be an iffy subject and we have wiki wide restrictions on how far technology can go.



The Unification of Polynesia.
As a Hawaiian and Polynesian I would like to ask the noble Role-Playing council to let me make a nation that would unit all of Polynesia.

Hmm... In all honesty, I was iffy at first about Hawaii, so I'm not sure about this. I'll think about it, and see how others respond. For now,.

-- Jeremiah Garland 06:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

So when will the voting start? -

Uh... I'm going to remain as well for said reasons...



Growth of the Genoese Republic
The Republic of Genoa and Venice have long been enemies, considering the mulitple wars they fought against each other. It would seem logical that one would adventually declare war again and conquer the other. Perhaps some alternate history could occur in which Genoa conquers the Venetians.

Genoa would basically recieve the regions of...
 * Venetia
 * Istria
 * Dalmazia
 * Durazzo
 * Corfu
 * Ionio

- Joseph Coalsmythe

Personally, I see no problem with this. However, you might anger Austria, as they have numerous times claimed Venice and Dalmatia in particular.

-- Jeremiah Garland 18:19, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for responding to my request. Now I will wait for the other council members to write down their opinions.

- Joseph Coalsmythe Honestly I feel like you are not very happy with Genoa after a few days. To me it is starting to look like Power Hunger is eating you up. It reminds me of my faults trying to obtain other land than Romania when I first started. I advise you not to attempt and stick with the current land you have as I did. Grow your country and such. 20:26, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but this is actually a very logical claim. You can look up the Genoese-Venetian Wars online and find plenty of results, It was a series of four wars which proved to be a indesicive victory for both sides. I just thought that one side could infact conquer the other, and the Republic of Venice has yet to be claimed. Anyway, I do not want to start a arguement with you.

- Joseph Coalsmythe

I agree with bost Jerry and Sunshine. It seems to me like only days after your inaguration, you are now wanting more lands, which to me is unnacceptable. Jerry also stated that other nations may be infuriated by this action. That being said, and with my judgement, I must vote to this motion.

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Ownership Gamer124
Can I have a list of avaliable nations? Gamer124 (talk) 18:07, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Gamer124,

Although there is no definite list of available nations, I can tell you some that are currently available that I know of: ...That's about all I can think of presently, though I'm sure there are more. Unfortunately, just about all of Europe has been claimed, and there's really no countries there to claim. All the ones I mentioned above are all Asian, and are pretty much cut off from the rest of the world. That being said, you can always join another country, if you so desire. Hope this clears things up.
 * Maratha Confederacy (India)
 * Mughal Empire (India)
 * Joseon Empire (Korea; not certain if this has been claimed yet)
 * Kingdom of Vientiane (Laos)
 * Hanthawaddy Kingdom (Burma)

Cheers,

-- Jeremiah Garland 18:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Is their anybody that has not done a good job that you can make me leader of? If not can I make a apllication for Burma?Gamer124 (talk) 18:28, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well there is no country worth time on POTCO, as the asian countries aren't in the Caribbean, but you can join Switzerland. :D We have changed the government and fired pretty much everyone, so there are good high positions open. :D If you're interested, please leave me a message on my talk page.



Quick correction. The Mughal Empire and Maratha Confederacy were conquered by the British. As for removing a leader, that cannot but done. You can by all means fill out an application and hope to be accepted.



Burma
Where do I apply? Oh yeah sorry

Dear Role Playing Council,

I apply to be leader of Burma. I have some exprience from my own country that I guess can't be official on the wiki. I am a great leader and will fufill any responsibility you give me. I will only declare war if necessary. I will make Burma in the top countries on the planet. We will most likely ask to be in The United Alliances of The Caribbean. Burma will be the best it has been when I take office.

Gamer124 (talk) 19:36, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

As a member of the RP Council, I. I have seen how you acted; you just want power, and have shown ever since day 1 that you're not mature enough. Because of this, I do not see you to be fit for a ruling title in roleplay. Again, I .-- 19:57, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Parax all you do is try to delete and mess up my pages. you always try to find something against it. I never heard that rule. Actually I prefer a council as shown on many pages. I want power to show a good goverment not just to be a person that makes everybody their slaves. I let everybody pick their jobs in my army [ even though I badly need another secret service agent. ] Also maybe the admins should be more of a council then just some people who can go and say a single thing saying it's against the rules and deleting it instead they should talk to each other about it. It's like the admins just want power. Parax all you do is watch for me to make a page and find some way to delete it with a "reason". Gamer124 (talk) 20:01, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, first of all, how the hell does my deletion of your page&mdash;which was against the rules&mdash;have any relevance to your request? No, I don't "watch for you", it's simply that nearly everything you do here is against the rules, and thus I have a reason to put down said offenses. As for this vote, my opinion is mine. If you don't like me opposing your little request, then don't make it. Not everyone is going to support you.-- 20:11, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? You are just being a total piece of lard. You, once again, have contradicted yourself again. PARAX. IS AN ADMINISTRATOR OF THE SITE. There were no "secret service agents" in this time. By the way, your idiocy provokes my vote for you when you turn "36"

I made my own secret service agency. Not for America. You have to be at least 36 to be president so your the one with idiocy.

Off Topic- Sorry but can the admins of this page please vote on my Unification of Polynesia? - Marc Cannonshot

I also for various reasons. For one, you did not prove to us you have a basic knowledge of the country you are requesting and its history (it wasn't even called Burma yet). Also, as Parax said, it seems you are simply looking for power. Before you go off claiming countries, I advise that you spend some time on the wiki and in the roleplay realm, and gain our respect. That way, we will know when you are capable of ruling a country, rather than you simply telling us you're "a good leader".

On a side note, please do not attack admins when you've been on this wiki a limited amount of time and don't have a thorough understanding of everything. It's sort of obnoxious when users like you show up, think they know everything and everyone on the wiki, act like they're big shots, and that start insulting others, especially admins. I advise you give this a rest, and maybe try again some time in the future.

-- Jeremiah Garland 02:15, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I also making this a majority of oppose and thereby/denied. Calling Our friend parax "lard" really hasn't helped your chances, and I glad to say that giving you leadership of a country would not be a wise decision.

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Admittance Application: G-man.
Alrighty boyz and girls, this is my application, it's an application, don't freak out about it.

I'll just start off by listing my qualifications. I have role-played for many countries, and have role-played as far back as I can remember. I am knowledgeable in world history and politics; on another note I can be immature at some times, but can't we all? Yes, in the past I have been "noobish" in role-playing, forming nations that did not exist at the time and claiming false titles, but I have put that behind me and hope that you will too.
 * Titles: King and Grand Duke of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Prime Minister of China and Malta, Minister of Finance in the Russian Imperial Court, Hazarapatish of Persia, former Emperor of China, and former Prince of Spain.
 * I have been on this wiki since April 3, 2011 on this account and have been role-playing for, well, I can't remember, it's been a while.
 * I am a chat moderator and rollback on this wiki.

Yes, I didn't have much to type, and I don't really have time to type any more, so that concludes it.


 * 03:09, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 03:09, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I change to - I forgot that we have a long waiting list of people trying to get in, including Marc Cannonshot. I think Pistol has the whole list, so until Pistol comments, I'll be neutral.


 * For now, I am it is nothing against you, G-Man, it's the fact of having seven people in the council seems like a bit too much. I thought five was ideal, and iffy on six as that elimated the odd number factour. I'll have to think about this a little more. Excellent application, nonetheless.
 * -- Jeremiah Garland [[File:Rollback @.png]] 04:51, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am aware that the council is becoming crowded, but as you said, a sixth member elimated the odd number factor, a seventh would bring it back into play.
 * 16:32, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16:32, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lots of RP experience, decent knowledge, should know how to handle the job.-- 19:46, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

for the simple reason that we have so many members already. It is the waiting list for you!



Council Member Removal Request: Jack Goldwrecker
In all honesty, I really hate writing this and I wish I wouldn't. However, I feel something must be done about the growing interest in the Roleplay Council and its admittance policy.

First off, let it be known that this is not meant to cause any offense towards Jack. He has done nothing wrong. I do feel, however, that his interest in the Roleplay Council is very limited. He has shown a lack of participation, even when encouraged to reply to votes or requests. Furthermore, besides filling a few lower-ranking positions in various countries, he isn't that into roleplay itself. Jack is a great guy, but I'm just not sure if he's interested in this anymore.

While also he never fully submitted an official application, there are other roleplayers who have filled out membership applications and are eager to join.

I will speak to Jack about this matter one-on-one, and see if he'd like to participate in the council any longer. If he says no, then we will remove him from the council and perhaps find a roleplayer to fill his spot. If he says yes, yet continues to neglect taking part in votes, we'll also hold a vote to remove him. We'll just see how this plays out. For the time being, however, I request that no new roleplayers be granted membership until we figure this out. I highly request that we keep the membership limit to six, which may be changed in the future.

In short, I feel that Jack has fallen behind on roleplay matters, and after scanning the page, hardly see any participation from him. Meanwhile, there are other eager roleplayers who wish to join the council and are willing to participate. Members, please vote and discuss below on what you think of this matter.

Cheers,

-- Jeremiah Garland 22:28, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Definitely an obvious matter. I am towards the removal, only because I feel if we give him warning, he could still be valuable. If he does not wish to participate, I am leaning towards support.

On the other hand, I the 6 people limit for 1 reason. IN fact, i support it being even in any event. Heres why. If we were to have an odd number of councilmen, then yes, every problem would be sorted out had a vote come down to a near tie. However, if we keep it at 6, there is a possibility for a direct tie. This tie, then, could be taken to an administrative vote- which I feel, if councilmembers truly can't decide on a matter, would be approrpriate. Any vote that wins only by a margin of 1 councilmember may be highly debatable.

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Eh, I don't think we really need him out. I'll ponder on this, but I think things are fine as they are.



Reformed Voting System
So, there's been talk recently about how the RP Council should set their voting system. There isn't anything "wrong" with the way we do it now, per se, but I feel it can be improved. I've come up with two systems we could go by, depending on how many people we have in our council.

''I ask everybody (not just council members) to read my proposals and respond with which they prefer, or, any suggestions of critique. I'd like this vote to be a public vote, as it will, obviously, mostly affect the roleplay public and it's only appropriate they get a say. Also do note, both proposals are subject to doctoring.''

First Method: If there are an even number of council members (preferably six) Second Method: 'If there are an odd number of council members (preferably five or seven) -- Jeremiah Garland 06:53, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * When a request is made, all council members have a maximum of two weeks to respond with their vote.
 * Each council member must vote "support" or "oppose"; voting "neutral" implies that you need time to consider the request, but does not count as a legitimate vote.
 * If two weeks have passed and not all council members have submitted a vote, the side with the most votes wins (e.g., if two members vote "support" and one member votes "oppose", "support" wins).
 * If two weeks have passed and not all council members have submitted a vote and the votes are tied (e.g., two members have voted "support" and two members have voted "oppose"), either one of the remaining council members who have not voted are immediately contacted to give the deciding vote. If the remaining members who have not voted are unavailable, a willing, third-party, randomly-selected admin (one who is not an RP council member) is chosen to decide the vote.
 * Since there are an even number of members, and thus an even number of votes, there is the possibility of a tied vote (three "supports" and three "opposes"). In this case, a willing, third-party, randomly-selected admin (one who is not an RP council member) is chosen to decide the vote.
 * If a request goes two weeks without a single vote, it is disregarded, but may be re-requested again in the future.
 * Requests that have been requested in the past and were either opposed or already passed, are disregarded.
 * Alternatively to the third-party admin deciding tied votes, one member of the RP Council is voted on amongst the council members to hold the title "Speaker of the Council" (council members may not vote for themselves). The speaker's job, as opposed to the other five council members, is to be the deciding voter in tied votes. Whoever may be the speaker always votes last in requests for this reason. He/she is also responsible for prompting all other members to submit their votes when a request has been made. The term length of the speaker is yet to be decided.
 * When a request is made, all council members have a maximum of four weeks to respond with their vote.
 * Each council member must vote "support" or "oppose"; voting "neutral" implies that you need time to consider the request, but does not count as a legitimate vote.
 * If four weeks have passed and not all council members have submitted a vote, the side with the most votes wins (e.g., if two members vote "support" and one member votes "oppose", "support" wins).
 * Since there are an odd number of members, and thus an odd number of votes, there is no possibility of a tied vote, given all members have voted by the end of four months.
 * If four months is up and not all members have voted, but there is a tied vote, either of the remaining members who have not voted are immediately prompted to submit their vote. If they are unavailable, a willing, third-party, randomly-selected admin (one who is not an RP council member) is chosen to decide the vote.
 * If a request goes four weeks without a single vote, it is disregarded, but may be re-requested again in the future.
 * Requests that have been requested in the past and were either opposed or already passed, are disregarded.

Heavily - I will want the final draft once we have our final councilment within the few weeks (G-man app is up, as well and the GOldrwecker removal), Either way- I support a speaker title over a random admin. I vote Garland for the Speaker.

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I but not without some queries. I shall number them so you can respond appropriately, and others can comment on them as well. That is it :P
 * 1) I think that in the event of a tie after the voting time period has ended and not all Councillors have voted, alll members who did not vote must be contacted and asked to vote, within a time period of say 48 hours (subject to change). If they both voted and their is still a tie after 48 hours we can do the random admin voter (or perhaps ask all of them, to be fair, as one can be chosen that is almost assured to lean either way in favour of the chosing councillors vote) or we could ask the people on the waiting list (instead of a random user) or we go with your alternative method. If only one voted within the 48 hours, their vote decided it and the other unavailable member will no longer have the chance to vote. If neither votes, then we do the external voter thing.
 * 2) I don't think opposed requests should be disregarded. Perhaps we could have a rule for a time limit between which the same user can re-request an unpassed vote. We could also restrain the same user from re-requesting unpassed votes. For example, Albert cannot keep re-requesting the rule of a small Italian state, but Blastshot can (after a certain amount of time since Albert's vote ended that perhaps).
 * 3) I don't think the Speaker would need to vote last, sure that could help with tie-breakers, but then the Speaker, who I imagine would be well-suited and therefore valid and needed input, would not voice their opinion until the vote ends. If there is a tie, rather give the Speaker the oppurtunity to reconsider their vote and make the final decision, if we do go this route.
 * 4) Just curious, why is their a longer voting period for odd numbers of council members?