Forum:The 1st User's Assembly/chat

[07:09]  ok [07:09]  ahoy [07:10]  We have User reuqest blogs now [07:10]  So there is no need for the assembly [07:10]  since john "archived it" [07:10]  I'd honestly like to keep the assembly as at least symbolic of our right to petition the admins. [07:10]  You weren't here when requests used to get deleted. [07:10]  When the bureaucrat of spam control, spammed. [07:10]  techincally its protected at the moment [07:11]  so no one can touch it [07:11]  I'm sensitive on the matter: I don't want it deleted. [07:11]  its not john says he has the power to "archive" things [07:11]  It's become sort of a staple of the wiki's user community, i think it'll cause major problems for the admins if they get rid of it. [07:11]  And I'll oppose them every step of the way if they decide to.. [07:12]  However we get no power with it [07:12]  You don't NEED power. [07:12] <Jack> That's not the point of being an Admin! [07:12] <Jack> The point of being an admin is to 'administrate' [07:12] <Jack> To make sure edits are in good taste [07:12] <Jack> to stop people from trolling [07:12] <Jack> to stop excessive drama [07:12] <Tama> yes but we are resticted due to this assembly [07:12] <Tama> I never agreed to it [07:13] <Jack> Theres no power involved, get that outta your head. [07:13] <Jack> You werent an admin at the time. [07:13] <Tama> and I cant see how people can violate the assembly? [07:13] <Jack> And you arent restricted at all [07:13] <Tama> there are no rules placed on the page [07:13] == Tama [webchat@cloak-7E991037.as13285.net] [07:13] == realname : CentralChat.net WebChat [07:13] == channels : #piratesforums [07:13] == server   : zoidberg.centralchat.net [CentralChat Server] [07:13] == idle     : 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 5 seconds [connected: Fri Sep 09 07:09:35 2011] [07:13] == End of WHOIS [07:13] <Jack> All it restricts is your ability to remove our petitions from that page. [07:13] <Jack> Tama... [07:13] <Tama> tell that to john [07:13] <Jack> All those petitions were passed and are now on the rules page. [07:13] <Jack> Perhaps you should check it some time. [07:14] <Tama> he deleted his rule reuqest blogs when he didnt get his way [07:14] <Jack> What did he request? [07:14] <Tama> Shades Demotion,Skulls Demotion [07:14] <Jack> On what grounds? [07:14] <Tama> and he just deleted them when everyone opposed [07:14] <Jack> Deleted what? [07:15] <Jack> the request itself? [07:15] <Tama> yes [07:15] <Jack> That's not breaking the rules in any way. [07:15] <Tama> those were the guidlines of him demotion [07:15] <Jack> Oh wait. [07:15] <Jack> I forgot he was an admin. [07:15] <Jack> This is precisely why the assembly needs to stay the way it is [07:15] <Jack> Admins can't do that there. [07:16] <Jack> They get away with it on the request a rule thingy or whatever [07:16] <Tama> Theres no problem now as john is gone [07:16] <Tama> and the request deletions have stopped [07:16] <Jack> At least support its existence as a formality, there's no reason not to unless you want to oppress the users. [07:16] <Jack> Tama, I've seen enough admins come and go from this wiki under similar circumstances to last a life time [07:17] <Jack> there will ALWAYS be corrupt admins on any wiki [07:17] <Jack> so the Assembly must still exist. [07:17] <Tama> Not even an admin has touched the page [07:17] <Tama> since I locked it [07:17] <Jack> Good. [07:17] <Jack> That's how it should be, [07:17] <Jack> Admins won't touch it, thats the only place we can guaruntee our rights to petition the admins. [07:17] <Jack> So it should remain untouched, as it has been. [07:18] <Jack> No changes, no representatives that are elected by the burs admins or even community [07:18] <Jack> Everyone can petition. [07:18] <Jack> That's how it NEEDS to stay. [07:18] <Jack> There's no reason to not have it like that. [07:18] <Tama> look at johns deletions as an admin [07:18] <Tama> http://potcoplayers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=John+Breasly&page=&year=&month=-1&hide_patrol_log=1 [07:18] <Jack> That's not relevant [07:18] <Jack> He got power hungry [07:19] <Jack> precisely the reason why i do not want to be an admin [07:19] <Tama> but we have rule requests now the assembly may stay but not be touched [07:20] <Jack> Look, I don't want the Assembly abolished under any circumstances, and neither does any sensible member of the community (non admin) excluding Jason, which I'll have to talk to him. [07:20] <Jack> Tama, is there some way you can unlock the assembly? [07:20] <Tama> Thats his opinion there nothing wrong with it [07:20] <Jack> I want to see if we try petitioning there, if it will be interfered with. [07:21] <Tama> It cant be touched by me under johns "archive" [07:21] <Jack> I know Tama [07:21] <Jack> I respect his opinion, but i reserve the right to disagree with him and explain to him why i disagree [07:21] <Jack> Tama, why was it locked? [07:21] <Tama> Its also moved now so there are no comments [07:21] <Jack> That's considered admin interference. [07:21] <Tama> because it may be vandalized [07:21] <Jack> They can't lock that, it's specifically for us to voice our opinions [07:22] <Tama> It was only locked after johns "archiving " [07:22] <Jack> You're going to lock it up in a metaphorical steel cage to protect it? [07:22] <Jack> No: if someone vandalized it, they will get demoted/banned, and the assembly has served its purpose. [07:22] <Jack> I'll make a request that it is unlocked. [07:22] <Tama> and its been archived [07:23] <Tama> techincally the page has been moved [07:23] <Jack> Who let this happen?! [07:23] <Jack> They can't do that! [07:23] <Tama> I had to removed comments because of johns arguing [07:23] <Tama> so I moved it to a forum [07:23] <Jack> Ugh. [07:24] <Jack> I give up on this, feel free to pursue your pathetic power by silencing the voices of users, bye.